The Twelfth.
Do you think it's fair to say that the vast majority of urban Protestants
would be 'cultural Protestants' and the majority of rural Protestants
would be 'Bible Protestants'?
David
Gilliland. I would certainly accept that there is a very strong
rural/urban split within the Protestant community. I would also accept
that urban Prods now tend to be much more secularised. Many sociologists
would argue that this is the case across the world in terms of city
dwellers being more likely to have a secular outlook than their rural
counterparts.
I remember being at a conference many years back at
which some of those present were talking about two issues – the first
was all about ‘Popery and Superstition’ and the other was in relation
to how ‘Catholics were more likely to be ‘doing the double’ etc. I
remember being very unpopular for challenging both of these assumptions
– one on the grounds that we were living in the 20th Century,
and the other on the basis that if they looked at any loyalist enclave in
Belfast, then they were just as likely to find people doing the very same
thing – it was a necessary step for survival for many families. I think
that was probably the first time that I became aware that the rural/urban
divide was so wide.
I also know from my work within the loyalist/unionist
community, that many loyalists outside Belfast regard it as ‘a den of
iniquity’. Although here there is also the added complication that there
is also an age divide. Younger people are more secular in outlook. Young
people are drifting away from the old certainties that many of their
elders hold dear. I have a friend from rural County Armagh whose parents
are heavily involved in the church, and she and her siblings were brought
up in this milieu, but all have now left a large part of it behind, none
go to church on any form of regular basis – typically weddings and
funerals which tends to be the case with most urban Prods.
But despite this apparent rejection of the values many
within the community still hold some vestiges of religious belief, indeed
at the time of the vote regarding Sunday opening of pubs, one of the UUP
MPs was witnessed staggering from the Members' Bar drunk, to vote against
Sunday Opening. I have also been at meetings where men who normally swear
like navvies hold their tongue when a minister is present. That said, many
within the Protestant community wouldn’t have the first idea about any
of the principles of Protestantism, and not all in the rural areas would
be Bible-believing Protestants waiting for the latest broadcast by some
Jimmy Swaggart type.
The Twelfth. How would
you define ‘cultural Protestantism’?
David Gilliland. I think in some ways it
could be a polite way of saying ‘nominal Prod’. Many people within the
loyalist/unionist community are not really Protestants but call themselves
Prods as a way of letting you know they are not Catholics.
There is, however, a large number for whom some of the
aspects of Protestantism are very important, but cannot, or perhaps will
not, accept the religious baggage. I would probably class myself in this
category. I am a believer to a point, but as yet I cannot make the leap of
faith required. However the whole tradition of Protestantism and the
belief structure is very important to me. I have friends who were quite
shocked when they found out I was a ‘believer’ as they have rejected
the whole notion of God, but yet even they would define themselves as
Prods. There is also an element within it of being proud of the whole
Ulster heritage and the traditions they have grown up within, so perhaps
‘cultural Prods’ is a more meaningful term.
The Twelfth.
As a cultural Protestant, how do you view the Twelfth? Do you see it as
colour, excitement and music? Do you take any interest in its religious
aspect?
David Gilliland. I have grown up with the
Twelfth. I joined the Orange Order at about 12 years of age, and for about
four years carried the District Bannerette every year on the Twelfth. I
got involved in political circles round about 17 and sort of drifted away
from the Orange Order, probably because I thought they weren’t being
direct enough in opposing the Anglo-Irish Agreement. I never transferred
from the ‘Juniors’ into the Lodge proper, and despite being asked many
times over the years since I have never wanted to join again. I think that
is in part due to the fact that I couldn’t in all conscience take the
Oath of Allegiance to the Queen.
I always however go